In the pattern we found the combination of a long nose for pitch reference, solid handling and smooth power lever response meant that approaches could be flown precisely with little effort. "We are unaware of any lawsuit against Piper in which this supposed 'divergent flutter problem' has been identified by the NTSB as the cause of the accident. While Piper did an excellent job in crashworthy design by keeping fuel out of the pressure vessel, we think it erred when it chose an overhead panel for a number of switches. However, entering a TBM is certainly simpler, both in the front and the back. The Garmin G3000 system boots up rapidly and the pretakeoff checklist can be displayed on one of the screens. The C-Inspection is the most intensive and will come at the highest cost. Top Turboprop Series: Pre-Owned Piper Meridian and Daher TBM 700C2, The Latest on the Cessna Denali and SkyCourier, Intro to Aerobatics: Sequel to “Fly It Like a Fighter”. The baggage area is limited to 100 pounds. We noted that the stall strips on the leading edge were symmetrical on each wing and when we did stalls, there was no sign of roll off at the break. The cabin measures 03'11" high, 04'01" wide, and 12'03" long. This can be a bigger deal if you have mobility issues, but for most pilots, the spar is a surmountable problem (pun intended). So, the engine and feeding of the engine on the TBM will cost more than the Meridian. So, I naturally get a lot of opportunities to discuss the differences between these airplanes with prospective clients. April 6, 2015. For single-pilot operation, we like simple engine and fuel system operation—the M600 delivers both. For a TBM, there’s an A, B and C-Inspection in sequential years, and every item on those lists will be accomplished in that inspection. That’s an important crashworthiness consideration. Piper M600 vs Cirrus SF50 Vision Jet. But, the real difference is that the Meridian pilot must climb over the spar while there is no spar in the TBM cabin. My friend who now flys a 850 told me that on his 1000 nm flights that he is using less fuel now than before with the Meridian. You are correct that there are different inspections which come into play based our years and total hours, we have never had anything close to the $80,000 price tag you mentioned. TBO is 3600 hours. The cabin measures 03'11" high, 04'01" wide, and 12'03" long. If nothing else, it should provide peace of mind for passengers knowing it’s there. While both POHs will advise that the aircraft can operate from strips shorter than 3,000 feet, there is simply not much margin for pilot error on such a short strip. Die PIPER Malibu Meridian - Erfahren Sie hier alle technischen Details zum Geschäftsflugzeug PIPER Meridian! Highlighting the differences between the Piper M500 and the new Piper M600. Informieren Sie sich jetzt hier! Featured Listing. Piper's M600 is the newest addition to its M-series line and has a larger wing, more power, plus a much needed increase in range. That’s not a criticism of the Meridian—the turboprop conversions of the Cessna 206, 207 and 210, Beech Bonanza and Piper Malibu/Mirage wrestle with the same problem. Baggage is carried in the pressure vessel; behind the rear seats. The M600’s de-ice boots are completely new to the Piper line and eliminate use of vacuum pumps and traditional control switches. Residual thrust at idle is high enough that we taxied in Beta or reverse almost constantly. More Aircraft. Agree with everything you stated until the last part of your article. In my experience, the single-engine turbine market has been on fire for the last few years. The main gear is further aft than on the M500 and has a six-inch wider track. With more PT6 power and Garmin G3000 avionics, this new turboprop single goes far beyond the Meridian, literally and otherwise. 26 Aug 2018, 03:10 If I had any doubt on this decision I’d go the least expensive route (possibly even a used Meridian, M500, M600… In my experience the annual cost has ranged from $15,000 to around $30,000. How good? I cant compare as I never owned a Meridian but on 1000 nm trips my fuel cost is less than the Baron 58 … It reminded us of a much more sophisticated version of the full-time wing leveler on Mooneys 40 years ago. We think that’s quite satisfactory in return for a range of nearly 1500 NM as airplanes in this class seem to be flown with only one or two people aboard. The long nose is an excellent reference for setting pitch attitudes and helps make steep turns simple. USD $980,000. Pricing Depending on numerous factors, the average price for a pre-owned PIPER M600 is $2,221,333.33. In addition, improperly programming the autopilot has brought more than one flight to grief as the airplane stalled or blew through Vmo. So, I naturally get a lot of opportunities to discuss the differences between these airplanes with prospective clients. Piper upgrades the Meridian with a new wing, more power and new avionics that delivers more speed, higher useful load and increased capability. You’ll almost always need to take it to an authorized service center. I train prolifically in this market and have noted strong demand for training services from pilots who are moving up in performance or size. If the cabin altitude reaches 14,900 feet, the system issues a warning and demands that the pilot take some action in response. TABLE B: Piper M600 vs Daher TBM 910 Market Comparison The TBM 910 fleet had 4.6% of its fleet for sale as of the end of January 2020, while the Piper M600 had 16% for sale. Get Insurance Operating Costs Apply for Financing. So, I naturally get a lot of opportunities to discuss the differences between these airplanes with prospective clients. Cabin in the vision is a huge selling point. If the NTSB or the FAA thought there was such a problem, they would surely communicate it to the public." Instead, air arrives via two non-icing NACA ducts under the nose. The automatic-level capability has been offered on other aircraft—we like it for its ability for a pilot to use automation to fix things when he hasn’t been able to—possibly due to spatial disorientation—and for a passenger to get things under control should the pilot become incapacitated. Further wing examination reveals a few more access bays and inspection points, making repairs and inspections easier and less labor-intensive. 12. The TBM simply carries more. Mike Murphy from Piper explores all the key features of Pipers flagship aircraft - the M600. Das Flugzeug hat eine maximale Geschwindigkeit von 274 KTAS / 507 km / h bei maximal verfügbaren Leistungseinstellungen und eine maximale Reichweite von 1.484 nm / 2748 km bei Reiseflugeinstellungen. With its clean-sheet wing design, the M600 is capable of carrying 90 additional gallons of fuel when compared to its predecessor the Piper Meridian. Zero fuel weight is 4750 pounds, limiting cabin load to 1072 pounds, or six 170 pounders and 52 pounds of baggage. Currently you have JavaScript disabled. ESP can be disarmed temporarily for maneuvering if desired. When it comes to useful load, the TBM 700C2 is the clear winner. That is quite a record and compared to what I have read and heard about M series Pipers, trip/mission cancellations are quite regular. Re: Piper announces the new M600 and improvements to the M35. The airplane is certified to 30,000 feet, however, in the absence of RVSM, the effective maximum altitude is FL280. When it comes to the size of the cockpit and cabin, a slight advantage goes to the TBM. We suspect that the takeoff trim position is set to minimize the control force at rotation due to the more aft placement of the gear. The door is much larger and easier for the uninitiated to operate. The family now also includes the M500—the latest variant of the Meridian, and the M350, an upgraded version of the Mirage piston-powered single. There is a squat switch on the nose gear that locks out Beta and reverse in flight—an important safety feature, we think, that should be on all turboprops as intentional reversing on approach to landing has caused a number of accidents over the years. Loaded to near gross, acceleration was impressive. So, if your predominant mission is to fly 1,000 nm with four people and bags, the TBM 700C2 will complete the mission nonstop. However, he acknowledges that M600 owners are typically flying their airplanes on much longer missions than M500/Meridian owners do. Contact Joe at joe@flycasey.com or 903.721.9549. With all of this talk about the strength of a wing, don’t let it  be said that the Meridian has a weak wing – it doesn’t. Despite rumors, the new M600 wing is not recycled from the jet Piper was developing some years ago; it was designed specifically for the M600. Most importantly however is the overall reliability of the TBM. There’s another factor that makes the TBM more expensive to operate than a Meridian. Piper M600 Epic E1000 Daher TBM910 Daher TBM930 Pilatus PC12 Piper M500 King Air C90GTx Cirrus SF50 Eclipse EA500 Daher TBM700A Daher TBM700B Daher TBM700C2 Daher TBM850. "All Piper aircraft are certified by the FAA," said Piper spokeswoman Jacqueline Carlon. TABLE B: Piper M600 vs Daher TBM 910 Market Comparison. While the level of maintenance at just about any TBM service center is super high, you’ll never necessarily “get a deal.” On the other hand, there are service centers all over the United States for the Meridian, along with some very good independent PA46-only shops as well. Eighty five knots is the speed for raising the nose and only minimal pressure was required, although significant forward pressure was needed almost immediately as the gear and flaps came up. The maximum ramp weight is 2,744kg (6,050lb) and the standard weight is 1,656kg (3,650lb). Have owned a TBM 700A for the past 7 years. After a fuel stop, I almost always think, “I needed to walk around” or “I never want to be in an airplane more than 3 hours anyway.” But sometimes the fuel stop has to be made when the weather is less than ideal, and can occasionally be an issue that nixes the entire mission. With full fuel—1768 pounds—we could carry 604 pounds in the cabin. When Vmo is significantly above cruise speed, you know a strong wing is bolted on the airframe. Vy is 122 knots, which generates a nose attitude that blocks all forward view. Unsave Save. Yaw control authority proved to be so effective that there was an initial tendency to over control, which was magnified on landing rollout when reverse was selected. That means no need for ice vanes, inertial separator or inlet de-icing. The M600 is also Piper’s first airplane to use the sophisticated Garmin G3000 avionics suite. If you have a long way to go and you must carry four-plus people on a regular basis, and you are unwilling to make that fuel stop, then the TBM 700C2 is probably the airplane for you. Concerning other performance factors, the TBM 700C2 (285 average KTAS) will cruise about 20 KTAS faster than the Meridian (265 average KTAS) and arrive at FL280 a few minutes earlier due to a slightly better climb rate. Piper describes it as a “soft barrier to keep the Piper M600 inside the performance envelope by automatically engaging servos to slightly correct control surface positions when the aircraft exceeds one or more flight parameters.”. Electronic Stability Protection (ESP) is designed to prevent the onset of diving spirals, stalls and loss of control generally when the airplane is being hand flown. Either way, if you’ve got the coin, both are stellar aircraft that will put a smile on your face when you open that hangar door. Slow flight was almost too easy—the airplane holds trim speed well and small power changes are easy to make. Not surprisingly—with 600 HP up front—you need rudder inputs with power changes, although less than we’d expected. For more than five decades, active and dedicated aircraft owners and pilots have turned to AVIATION CONSUMER to answer their most important buying questions. The M500 combines jet-fueled performance, with state-of-the-art technology and safety features, and stylish, elegant luxury. We were glad to see a liberal approach to installing USB ports—we counted six, all in locations that are designed to minimize cable run. Turboprop Aircraft . It is currently Czech Republic regist... See More Details. Piper M600 auf der AERO Friedrichshafen. Today, about $1.3 million can buy a nice TBM 700C2 with a mid-life engine, decent avionics and slightly worn but acceptable aesthetics. A clean-sheet designed wing and the addition of Garmin’s G3000 avionics suite were key foundational enhancements that paved the way for product growth. That same amount of money will buy an earlier (2009-2011) G1000 Meridian with around 1,000 hours on the airframe and engine. So, when the TBM pilot wants to descend, it’s a simple matter of pointing the nose downward and leaving the power at cruise for a significant portion of the overall descent. The system includes a number of features that come into play whether the airplane is being hand flown or on autopilot. The average number of new and used transactions (sold) per month was less than one for the TBM 910 and four for the Piper M600 over the preceding 12 months. 200-Knot Buzzkill: MX, Insurance Realities. Both can accomplish the mission – but the Meridian will be cheaper to operate. The M600’s system will also act to recognize hypoxia and take action if the pilot fails to respond. The autopilot also has automatic overspeed and underspeed protection. Cabin furnishings are what we expect in a cabin-class turboprop—leather seats and an overall excellent level of fit and finish. The M600 is also Piper’s first airplane to use the sophisticated Garmin G3000 avionics suite. Yes, I know I’m going to get pushback from some that think they can operate a Meridian for less at annual, but I believe $20,000 is a good budget number for a Meridian annual inspection. It has a total baggage capacity of 20.00 ft^3; 20.00 ft^3 being internal and 00.00 ft^3 being external. CTRL + SPACE for auto-complete. The Meridian will undergo an “annual inspection” every year, and that annual inspection will average about $20,000 at one of the PA46-centric maintenance facilities. With a maximum ramp weight of 6050 pounds (takeoff weight is 6000 pounds), our airplane had a useful load of 2,372 pounds. The tried-and-true PT6A-42A turbine engine with 500 SHP and the impressive Garmin G1000 NXi Avionics Suite with the GFC 700 Autopilot come together to set a new standard for capability and value. The fuel system is either on or off—and automation corrects any imbalance that may develop in quantity between the tanks by turning on the appropriate pump. This years annual which was just completed a week ago in the $30,000 range. Max cruise is 274 knots. 26 Aug 2018, 02:58. Have never felt that we were being ripped off with exaggerated pricing or maintenance requirements. I do have one customer who upgraded to a TBM 700C2 from a Meridian, and he swears that “climbing over the spar” was the single reason that he upgraded. Speed costs money: A new M500 is priced at $1.9 million while a TBM 930 starts at $4.1 million. Thermodynamically, it’s rated to 1029 SHP, so it’s loafing at 600 SHP—a good thing, we think, for longevity. I have a TBM client who operates out of a 3,700-foot landing strip and he has no troubles at all. Joe Casey is an FAA-DPE and an ATP, CFI, CFII (A/H), MEI, CFIG, CFIH, as well as a retired U.S. Army UH60 standardization instructor/examiner. The TBM line offers a 1700-NM range and speeds over 300 knots. Due to derating the engine, it doesn’t need the ram effect of a big scoop. There’s also not much variance in the short-field performance between the two airplanes. To me, a fuel stop always seems worse when planning. When Piper introduced the M600, we exceeded industry expectations for performance and operational ease in a single-engine pressurized turboprop. We also like the warranties offered: Five years on the airframe and avionics and seven years or 2500 hours on the engine. If the pilot commands a pitch attitude that will take the airplane through Vmo, the autopilot will hold Vmo and no faster. The inspection list for a TBM is much more robust than the Meridian. Piper has taken its new M600 on a European tour, stopping at the recent EBACE show in Geneva. Making small power adjustments requires initially figuring out a way to brace your hand to do so. The restraint system is three point; adequate, in our view. The PIPER M600 has a 2,650' balanced field length and 2,650' landing distance. The -42A on the Meridian will cost about $100,000 less to overhaul than the -64 found on the TBM 700C2. Annunciators keep the pilot in the loop. It has a total baggage capacity of 20.00 ft^3; 20.00 ft^3 being internal and 00.00 ft^3 being external. I have to decide. Pushing it engages automatic level mode which activates the flight director and autopilot, cancels all armed and active modes and returns the airplane to straight-and-level flight. We were told that there was initial concern with adverse stall effects with a leading-edge mounted pod, but there proved to be none. A taller or heavier pilot can certainly do it with some practice. Fifteen years down the road, the PA-46-500TP really arrives. Training. What does this mean for you? © Belvoir Media Group, LLC. That is the deciding factor in this dilemma. Such was the case in the 2013 crash of a Piper Seneca near Johnstown, N.Y., following a midair breakup. I will be flying family mostly. The TBM 910 fleet had 4.6% of its fleet for sale as of the end of January 2020, while the Piper M600 had 16% for sale. The cabin and pressure vessel is still that of the Malibu/Mirage/Meridian, however, the empennage has been beefed up to handle a Vmo of 250 KIAS, a speed that we think will allow the airplane to mix easily into the demands of crowded airspace. It is a true “sweet spot” in the production history of the TBM lineage. The new M600 avionics suite made up of the Garmin G3000 and GFC 700 autopilot with enhanced Autopilot Flight Control System (AFCS) includes automation designed to break the chain of accidents that have dogged the world of slippery singles. Click here for instructions on how to enable JavaScript in your browser. While not in the TBM’s speed class, at max cruise the M500 whistles along at 260 knots. I’ve seen C-Inspection invoices that were over $80,000 and there were not very many “additional items” on those high invoices. 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